Politics Ruin Any Health Care Plan
Government run health care is care that does more harm than good. So here’s a list of what is wrong with health care when any government is involved:
- Government over-manages everything.
- Government spends more money on projects than the private sector.
- Individuals must be in control of their health or they won’t choose a healthy lifestyle.
- To control expenses, some medical procedures will have to be denied.
- No law can make the Government an expert on any subject and no official will be without political influence.
- Government Health is not free.
- Doctors and Hospitals still need to administer health care.
- Doctors time will be controlled by government covered patients.
- Doctor salaries will be governed to reduce costs.
- Research will decrease because of time-restraints on current patients.
- It will cost you far more to obtain outside care than it does within a free-market system.
- If my current insurance doesn’t cover my condition, I can only obtain government coverage, which may not cover it either.
- I will be fined if I don’t participate in the government plan.
- Politicians don’t trust the same government health care system for their family because it doesn’t work.
I’m sure they feel good providing everyone with health care; but our politicians can only moderate between parties, not run the system. We need to respect the freedoms of the American people. And not have to fight our government for the care we need. If the SCOTUS supports the private citizen over the US, what is the point of having a Supreme Court? The end won’t justify the means when you don’t know where you are going to end up!
Don’t assume people who have large medical bills want free health care in exchange for a ‘mystery plan’ which might cover their condition. What they want is that their family is covered, they have the best doctors and they have the ability to pursue the options they need! Why do we want the government to restrict these freedoms!? This is literally Life - Liberty - Pursuit of Happiness. Politics in health care removes our God given freedoms!
September 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am
>Government over-manages everything.
Nope, admin costs are lowest with Single Payer.
>Government spends more money on projects than the private sector.
Institutions of education generally are run at lower cost.
>Individuals must be in control of their health or they won’t choose a healthy lifestyle.
Government is not proposing to be in control of your “health” but in control of a small number of people’s insurance. And if you think your Insurance company is on your side, you ain’t too smart. Funny how much in love you are with those that rip you off. People will eat burger and fries no matter who is offering their insurance.
>To control expenses, some medical procedures will have to be denied.
There is story after story of people having insurance and being denied procedures. You are not familiar with the issues to say this. No one will ban insurance companies, buy the gold plated insurance if you think a government version is not good enough for you. You don’t give heart transplants to 85 year olds, you want to call that rationing and give the short in supply heart to a 40 year old in favor of the rich guy, you can shove your version of HC.
>No law can make the Government an expert on any subject and no official will be without political influence.
Huh?
>Government Health is not free.
Nor are the roads you drive on. Or the schools your kids are in (if the state has allowed you to procreate). Are you a privatize everything? I see Insurance companies run my Enron and big Bank type guys, what do you see?
>Doctors and Hospitals still need to administer health care.
Yes, and they do in Canada. US doctors are 64% in favor of Public Option and an ADDITIONAL 10% want Single Payer. 74% of educated people with intimate knowledge of the industry want Public Option or MORE. But you know better?
>Doctors time will be controlled by government covered patients.
Pure Bullshit.
>Doctor salaries will be governed to reduce costs.
Any government insurance will pay the going rate or a little less. The vast majority of Doctors accept and even prefer Medicare patients and they get paid a bit less. Why? It’s more efficient dealing with medicare and medicaid than private. If it was such a terrible system, doctors would leave Canada in droves.
>Research will decrease because of time-restraints on current patients.
Most Research is done at “Research Hospitals” tied to faculties of medicine at universities. Most of it is public “taxpayer” money.
>It will cost you far more to obtain outside care than it does within a free-market system.
Like how much cheaper it is to hire soldiers from Blackwater than US government ones. The ones making 4 to 5 times what the government pays. Maybe you think the government soldier is crap compared to the contractor one and worth a fifth of a real, free enterprise one?
Where the heck do you get this blind faith in the market. Let the market do it’s thing and often it will charge what the market will bear, not the lowest price. What will you pay for your life? In any case, any procedure is more expensive in America than anywhere else in the world. The healthcare tourism industry is showing real signs of growth. You are the type to complain about all those jobs going overseas. How do you feel about flying everybody out of country for care so they can save money? It’s your insurance companies promoting it, to save money. Hey it’s the free market. How about if the Canadian government offers Americans coverage and they come here for care? It’s half price with better outcomes. Do you know that Canadians don’t know what a “co-pay” is. No idea, there are non here.
>If my current insurance doesn’t cover my condition, I can only obtain government coverage, which may not cover it either.
Huh? You are saying your Insurance company could be crap and might not cover it, and Government might? Well, government would be better than private then, you might be lucky then, and even if they don’t you are no worse off because you said your insurance does not cover it.
>I will be fined if I don’t participate in the government plan.
No, you could be fined if you have no insurance. Buy any plan that is offered.
Do you drive with car insurance? Or do you take the risk and figure if you were to put somebody in a wheelchair for life, you would just declare bankruptcy and let the fund that States have for unsatisfied claims cover the settlement? Much like vehicle insurance. everyone must be made to have healthcare. Why have freeloaders. Who pays when they get sick, or do you let them die on the street? See, with single payer universal coverage you don’t have this issue
>Politicians don’t trust the same government health care system for their family because it doesn’t work.
All evidence points to the fact it does, in other counties. First, I see the Dems say all the time they would take this Public Option for their families health insurance, if it was there. So far, you don’t have it so you can’t claim it does not work or that politicians won’t adopt it for themselves. My Prime Minister and every member in government has the same health care plan that I do. That fact makes it pretty likely the politicians are going to make health care work in a country, because they will be using it. Make it part of the bill, if there is a Public Option the Democrats, (not the Republicans) have to take it as their insurance. Fine by me.
All your “points” here make it very evident why America is in trouble and why it sucks. Why it does not work as well as Canada does. You are polarized into camps of dislike and hate. The sides don’t even associate with each other. I mean on an individual basis, neighbors. You are nuts. If there is one thing that has been proven over the last number of years is that you can’t trust the free market with capitalism. It will come crashing down and destroy it, and your type is blind to that.
September 17th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Single Payer - Single payer isn’t a silver bullet. It has to be a good plan and any plan they’ve offered hasn’t been tried yet. And nothing the Government has budgeted for has cost the amount that was budgeted or less. Come on!
‘Institutions of education generally are run at lower cost.’ What state do you live in!? Come on!
‘Government is not proposing to be in control of your “health” but in control of a small number of people’s insurance.’ Where are you getting that information from? They want everyone to have insurance, right!? And when you have insurance, do you become healthy!? no. Come On!
‘There is story after story of people…you can shove your version of HC.’ Who can afford gold plated insurance? But don’t believe the Government option won’t make it more expensive, especially when I’ll be paying for both as in public education! And instead of 85 year old I’m thinking 5 or 8 year olds. But I’m sure saying that is racist!
“>No law can make the Government an expert on any subject and no official will be without political influence.
Huh?” - Stop thinking politicians know all the answers. I’m sure you get all your information from them but some of us actually, have experience in these subjects.
‘US doctors are 64% in favor of Public Option and an ADDITIONAL 10% want Single Payer. 74% of educated people with intimate knowledge of the industry want Public Option or MORE. But you know better?’ - You will believe any number in a Poll but refute every fact that comes from a professional or an actual patient. How many people do you know who don’t have health care? [sic] Oh, and you know what. I don’t have health care, anymore! Help me get Health Care and don’t let me pay for it!!!!
‘>Doctors time will be controlled by government covered patients.
Pure Bullshit.’ OK, let’s say you were a teacher in the public school system. If Congress passes a law that you need to teach the Greenhouse Effect to your students, why would you say no?’
‘Doctor salaries will be governed to reduce costs.
Any government insurance will pay the going rate or a little less.’ - You know that’s not true and you say it anyway. That’s funny! BTW, I know Canadian doctors who prefer America, because of these reasons. Do you know any Canadian doctors???
‘Research will decrease because of time-restraints on current patients.
Most Research is done at “Research Hospitals” tied to faculties of medicine at universities. Most of it is public “taxpayer” money.’ Nice, Statistic. So, you think cadavers react the same to research as live patients??
Popalot, Your perspective is naive and your examples are conditional. I will try to address them at a better time. If you like your country are you living there? Have you had any major health problems?
My point is the problem needs to be fixed without Government intervention. This isn’t Canada! And as soon as people start thinking as Americans we’ll start solving the problem.
Capitalism and the free-market allow individuals to succeed and fail. We are grown-ups in America and respect others opinions and decisions. I can see how you fail to grasp the concepts we are discussing. We HATE people who try to step on us or our neighbors!
Thanks for visiting the website
September 17th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The people in government are Americans they are your neighbors, you Righties have an unhealthy hate on for your fellow citizens that are involved in governing you. Be nice to try and come to some agreements but you act like dinning room tables. Your side lost every level of government and you want things done your way. It’s getting pointless, a waste of time.
I think the biggest fear from your side is that if a good HC plan gets through and it is deemed a success (by a majority) it could lead to even further gains in power for the Dems. You don’t care about the well-being of Americans, the only America you care about is one led by Republicans. It’s considered the only true America. The years when it’s led by Dems, it’s broken, it’s not as good.
Thanks, for putting up the opposing side.
September 17th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
A bit more:
Here, watch Bill Oreilly say he wants the government to get in there and offer the folks some better priced insurance.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/bill-oreilly-backs-public_n_290658.html
Following is what you defend, or at least will not let your government try to fix:
“The South Carolina Supreme Court has ordered an insurance company (Fortis) to pay $10 million for wrongly revoking the insurance policy of a 17-year-old college student after he tested positive for HIV. The court called the 2002 decision by the insurance company “reprehensible.”
Mitchell learned that he had HIV when, while heading to college, he donated blood. Fortis then rescinded his coverage, citing what turned out to be an erroneous note from a nurse. Before the cancellation of the policy, an underwriter working for Fortis wrote to a committee considering whether or not to rescind his policy: “Technically, we do not have the results of the HIV tests. This is the only entry in the medical records regarding HIV status. Is it sufficient?” The underwriter’s concerns were ignored and the rescission went forward.”
In other words, they had NO real evidence he had HIV before he got insurance.
“In the ruling, Chief Justice Jean Hoefer wrote: ” Fortis demonstrated an indifference to Mitchell’s life and a reckless disregard to his health and safety.”
An investigation this summer by the House Energy and Commerce Committee found that thousands of vulnerable and seriously ill policyholders have had their coverage canceled by many of the nation’s largest insurance companies without any legal basis. The congressional committee found that three insurance companies alone made at least $300 million over five years from rescission.”
In other words, this is how your Insurance companies behave, who has the money or the stomach to sue when you are sick?
“In Febuary 2008, a private arbitration judge in Los Angeles ordered Health Net Inc. to pay more than $9 million to a breast cancer patient whose health insurance it revoked shortly after her diagnosis and while she was undergoing chemotherapy. The plaintiff in that case was unable to continue her chemotherapy for several months.
During the case, evidence emerged that Health Net had paid bonuses to employees to reward them based on the number of policyholders they had rescinded. The judge who awarded Bates the $9 million said in his decision: “It’s difficult to imagine a policy more reprehensible than tying bonuses to encourage the rescission of health insurance that keeps the public well and alive.”
Honestly, my side looks at you folk in wonder, where is your heart, where are you abilities to think.
September 17th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
You can read my above post again if you can’t grasp it yet.
Thank you!
September 17th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Thanks for for all your time and effort.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:18 am
I care. What you need to do is care AND think!
Here’s what I sometimes do. I think ‘oh that’s sad’ then I think ‘well why is that? - Did that happen because of standard operating procedure.’ Because most people don’t hate someone they don’t know.
Popalot, You need to slow down and think about these policies. They are far reaching and long lasting! They should not be throw together at the very least.
Question…Do you NEED the US government Health Plan? Or are you an advocate.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Again…Popalot, I have to delete your post because of the swearing. I was letting some of it go before and I’m sorry, but it has to stop! If you want to re-post, please do, but without the profanity.
September 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am
You live outside the US. Then why are you commenting on issues that you are not a part of!?
You comment on being ill informed, yet you aren’t even participating in the policy.
September 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I comment because I have a coincidence. There is a lack of it in people like you.
September 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Oops, conscience. I have a conscience!
September 18th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
coincidence is SO much like conscience! LOL
YOU know what’s right for others!? That sounds a little more like having a god complex, Pop!
Actually, where I come from we call those people busybodies!
busybody - Someone who interferes with others; one who is nosy, intrusive or meddlesome
September 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I go with what looks like the best solution, I listen to what knowledgeable people say who don’t have an agenda and decide from there. Like Doctors and citizens and scholars who study the issues. Many many, not just a couple. Not outfits that get paid by the insurance industry with their misleading names. The definition of liberal is the ability to change with new information or new situations. The definition of conservative is to not change despite new information or new situations. I would point out, one is stupid. Go reinforce yourself with your like minded buddies at your lunch. The polar bear thing is not just one loon. It comes from people (scientists) in Alaska, Canada, Russia and Norway. But they make it all up, obviously. I bet you have no post secondary education, to have so little faith in educated people and have so much in FOX.
September 21st, 2009 at 8:43 am
Buy tlike you said you have Canadian Insurance. If you like it, leave issues that don’t apply to you alone. I doubt you have cornered the information on all forms of medicine. I would even venture to guess your extent of office visits is contained to regular government mandated check-ups. I could be wrong! But no matter how you slice it, myself trying to tell you how to run your country is poor way for me to promote democracy! What are you promoting?
You definitions are based on your mood! That’s why nobody listens to them.
September 24th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Umm, your insurance industry is dumping sick people, and the only way they can get treated is if they burn through all that they own and declare bankruptcy. And you blabber on about why does a Canadian even comment on this stuff. Can you keep your eye on the ball and tell us how your private Insurers are going to fix the problem if you don’t see how government can. Where are you? Give up?
September 30th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Popalot, So are all of your people getting sick?
You think with broad generalities like people who are bigoted. That is why you can’t see a solution.
It’s all or nothing to you. I think the term is ’seeing only black & white.’